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AMD Zen
08-05-2016, 10:16 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-05-2016, 10:17 AM by bobbo27.)
#1
AMD Zen
I'm looking to build a new rig the end of this year. I know there's limited info out there on the AMD Zen or Kaby Lake. I don't game but want instant response on my computer. All I do is basically browse,do some video rendering, and watch videos. I currently have a 2500k, overclocked to 4.7Ghz, 24GB DDR3 Ram,a AsRock Extreme3 Gen3 MB, Gigabyte 260GTX Super overclocked (factory) video card.
I want to upgrade to either the Zen of Kaby Lake cpu....what would you recommend and should I bother upgrading my video card since I don't game?

thanks
B
CPU: Intel i5-2500K 4.7Ghz Mobo: AsRock Extreme3 Gen 3 GPU: Gigabyte GTX260 SOC
Mem: 24GB DDR3 SSD: Samsung 840 PRO 256GB
PSU: EVGA 850 G2 (new)
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08-05-2016, 01:42 PM,
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RE: AMD Zen
im waiting to see as well, but wont know until actual parts are released. im interested in the zen parts as well especially since jim keller headed the design team and the fact that they will be fully vm capable as all amd parts are from lowest price to highest.

as far as your current machine why upgrade if you dont game? that cpu is plenty fast still for what you are using it for. if you are still using hard drives for storage then i would recommend an ssd upgrade. that would yield the responsiveness i think you are looking for and save a chunk of cash in the process.
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08-05-2016, 04:07 PM,
#3
RE: AMD Zen
PwnBroker,

I've had this rig about 5 yrs now and don't find it that quick anymore (maybe i am just used to
the speed) I installed a Samsung 840 pro ssd in it about 2 yrs ago.....the only thing that stresses this
computer out seems to be the video rendering.....but I guess i could live with it a while longer. When the time comes to upgrade, do I need to upgrade my graphics card, or is it still adequate for what i do?

B
CPU: Intel i5-2500K 4.7Ghz Mobo: AsRock Extreme3 Gen 3 GPU: Gigabyte GTX260 SOC
Mem: 24GB DDR3 SSD: Samsung 840 PRO 256GB
PSU: EVGA 850 G2 (new)
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08-06-2016, 07:31 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-06-2016, 07:34 AM by pedwards.)
#4
AMD Zen
Wow Bobbo, a 2600k to 4.7GHz? That's still pretty speedy. I never surpassed 4.6 and was running it at 4.2 because it crashed and didn't feel like spending the time to OC it again.

Honestly if it's feeling less reactive, you can always do a fresh Windows install. 5 years or even 2 years you can see a noticeable difference in peppiness. You running 7,8.1, or 10 (or Linux?)? Also did you just do a win 10 upgrade directly from 7/8.1 and did nothing to it since?

What kind of rendering do you do?

Meanwhile good to see some AMD fans on the forum, I still buy team blue for the IPC gaming but the VR is what I am currently looking towards.


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08-06-2016, 07:57 PM,
#5
RE: AMD Zen
like peded said, maybe a clean install or at least some cleaning and maintenance chores like an app such as CCcleaner would speed it up as well as looking for some processes or services that may be running that is hogging cpu utilization. you never know software devs are sneaky these days.

as far as building a new system by all means go for it but i would wait to see how amd and intel new cpu's compare in a few months. like i said i have a good feeling with Zen since Jim was onboard with amd during its design, but we will see. if its within 10 percent or so of intel on IPC then you may get more for the dollar as video editing/encoding software leans toward more cores concept in cpu's. as for the gpu, if i had the money i would opt for a new gpu when you build a new system, and it doesnt need to be a screamer, for what you need it to do. price/performance has dramatically decreased in the last year on gpu's, so you will get more for your money. if your video software can utilize gpu compute with either cuda(nvidia) or open cl(amd) then an updated gpu can speed up rendering times,nagain dependent on your software and whether it supports it.

if you could list your software that you use or going to use would be helpful.
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08-07-2016, 02:12 AM,
#6
RE: AMD Zen
the original post listed a 2500K.

Perhaps a CPU upgrade to 2600K, and sell the 2500K back on ebay.

the extra hyperthreads might help and for maybe $100 or less out of pocket extend the legs of the system another year or so.

also, the EVO 840 has the slowdown issue, that supposedly a firmware update fixed.

I applied the firmware update to one of our 840s but it is on a core i3 laptop so I don't know if it made much difference.

I'd look into this, and as others suggested do a fresh windoze install.
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Mem: 2 x 8GB G.Skill TridentX DDR3 2400 SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 500GB + a few spinners
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08-07-2016, 08:04 AM,
#7
RE: AMD Zen
good memory dan, id forgotten all about the 840 evo bug.

here was the anandtech article when they found it and the corrective action:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8617/samsu...rmance-bug

and like dan said if you can find a 2600k for a reasonable price then that may be an option.
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08-07-2016, 11:43 AM,
#8
RE: AMD Zen
thanks for the info on the Samsung EVO firmware update, didn't know about that...I use Aimersoft Video converter and ConverXtoDVD mostly......I would appreciate suggestions for updating my video card, budget would be around $200.00 USD... Using Windows 7 Alienware version (very nice version), but will do a fresh install tonight, see if it helps....
is there a template for posting one's computer specs (in signature)?

thanks
B
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Mem: 24GB DDR3 SSD: Samsung 840 PRO 256GB
PSU: EVGA 850 G2 (new)
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08-07-2016, 06:00 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-07-2016, 06:03 PM by Dan-H.)
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RE: AMD Zen
I know it should go without saying, but backup your system before upgrading the firmware.

If you can make an image backup of your SSD, I'd try the firmware update first. It is much faster than re-installing Win7 and spending the next 3 to 10 hours downloading updates...

And this is what I did for my sig. I patterned it after someone elses. I forgot who.

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08-08-2016, 01:20 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-08-2016, 01:39 PM by MathieuB.)
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RE: AMD Zen
Upgrading your CPU to a Core i7-2600K (assuming you overclock it too) would help with video rendering, the CPU is the bottleneck here, not the video card.

How convenient, I just updated the Best CPUs article: http://www.hardware-revolution.com/best-...gust-2016/

The problem here is that a newer CPU would require a newer motherboard and newer DDR4 RAM. Upgrading 24GB of RAM isn't exactly cheap.

An option would be to consider an older, but still higher performance six-core Core i7-3930K or Core i7-4930K. You'd still need a new motherboard to support either one of them, but you'd be able to re-use your DDR3 RAM at least.

If you don't mind upgrading to a newer platform and DDR4, going with the i7-6800K (6 core) or i7-6900K (8 cores) would be interesting options for you to speed up video editing.

If you haven't re-installed Windows in years, that will help with getting some speed back.

Ultimately, if you have the budget, I'd upgrade to a six/8-core Intel CPU, you'll get even more performance when video encoding, I'm assuming that's your biggest bottleneck?
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