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Great laptop deal OR Build my own Desktop (comparison)
12-17-2015, 01:33 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-17-2015, 01:43 PM by Mattsen77.)
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Great laptop deal OR Build my own Desktop (comparison)
Ok, So it's time for me to get a new computer.. or raher, it's waaayyyy overdue..
I got myself a Gateway FX laptop back in 2009 and it's lasted a whole lot longer than I'd ever imagine.. Since I stopped PC gaming due to the aging specs, I've been mostly using it for Photoshop, editing software (which still is quite fine) ,surfing, media etc..

However, it's finally starting to bog down and the constant first aid to keep it going is no longer an option. And I'd love to get back to some PC gaming..

I like the versatility in a laptop but would also be fine with a desktop and don't need the most extreme monster for the Highest 4k gaming. 1080p suits me fine and something that can run fairly high settings would suffice..

The other day I ran into a deal that I found very appealing for the value/performance and it just happened to be a laptop..A few days later it also appeared on this website as best gaming value for $800- the Dell Inspiron i7559-763BLK

That's some great specs and price for a laptop and I've been very tempted to jump on it.. Then i figured I'd see if I could use your combined knowledge to get some advice before deciding..

Its a pretty good price, only $800 for the decent specs.. ..
I have built my own PC in the past so I'm open to build one again..
Comparing the Dell Inspiron i7559-763BLK to what I would get for the same $800 if I build my own Desktop at preset day.. what's your thought on this when it comes to performance in gaming/Photoshop etc..

I would love to hear your oopinions..
Thanks
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12-17-2015, 03:23 PM,
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RE: Great laptop deal OR Build my own Desktop (comparison)
thats a good deal for 800 bucks but amazon went up to 988 bucks on it. it will play most games at 30 to 40 fps about, one reviewer is even playing fallout 4 on it so its not shabby.

as far as a desktop build it all depends on if you already have a monitor, keyboard, OS, Etc. you can figure on an i3 or maybe a non oc i5 system with a gtx 960 and youll be looking at about 700-900 just for the box components depending on sale prices and what components you choose. with a gtx 960 in a desktop you will be looking at almost double the frame rates as the 960m in a laptop.

good luck
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12-17-2015, 03:54 PM,
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RE: Great laptop deal OR Build my own Desktop (comparison)
(12-17-2015, 03:23 PM)PwnBroker Wrote: thats a good deal for 800 bucks but amazon went up to 988 bucks on it. it will play most games at 30 to 40 fps about, one reviewer is even playing fallout 4 on it so its not shabby.

as far as a desktop build it all depends on if you already have a monitor, keyboard, OS, Etc. you can figure on an i3 or maybe a non oc i5 system with a gtx 960 and youll be looking at about 700-900 just for the box components depending on sale prices and what components you choose. with a gtx 960 in a desktop you will be looking at almost double the frame rates as the 960m in a laptop.

good luck
Thanks for your input PwnBroker

Yeah, I got all the peripherals, just need the computer itself.
Oh wow, so even with a i5 or even i3 CPU, the non Mobile-GTX will make such an overall difference huh?! In other words, I shouldn't necessarily focus too much on getting i7 instead of, lets say i5?
Most of the raw power is still in the GPU i suppose.

Side question, there's a version of the above mentioned Dell machine that has pretty much the same specs but with an i5 instead, I wonder if the performance difference is noticeable much>?
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12-17-2015, 04:40 PM,
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Absolutely. If you are talking dollar for dollar, the mobile equivalents of GPUs are 20-40% less effective. It's always better to build if you are comfortable with it and are not dead set on a laptop.

If your plan is to simple hook up external peripherals to it, then the utility of having the laptop is not really there. It will also last you longer than the laptop in terms of obsolescence, and of course much easier to upgrade anything later. Most laptops are going to BGA, so other than upgrading HDD space is going to be it (even RAM is soldered to most laptop mobos today).

You could build a fairly sweet i5 / solid GPU system. Question is how much is the mobility of the laptop worth for you?


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12-17-2015, 05:47 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-17-2015, 05:51 PM by Dan-H.)
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RE: Great laptop deal OR Build my own Desktop (comparison)
(12-17-2015, 03:54 PM)Mattsen77 Wrote: Side question, there's a version of the above mentioned Dell machine that has pretty much the same specs but with an i5 instead, I wonder if the performance difference is noticeable much>?

I would look at the exact processor. Some mobile i5s are only two core with hyperthreading some are four core.

http://ark.intel.com/products/family/883...ssors#@All

Same with the i7
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/883...rs#@Mobile

the "HQ" processors are the ones to get if you can.

I have an i7 4850HQ in my macbook pro and it is stupid fast paired with the PCIe based flash storage (SSD).
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12-17-2015, 06:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-17-2015, 07:30 PM by Mattsen77.)
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RE: Great laptop deal OR Build my own Desktop (comparison)
(12-17-2015, 04:40 PM)pedwards Wrote: Absolutely. If you are talking dollar for dollar, the mobile equivalents of GPUs are 20-40% less effective. It's always better to build if you are comfortable with it and are not dead set on a laptop.

If your plan is to simple hook up external peripherals to it, then the utility of having the laptop is not really there. It will also last you longer than the laptop in terms of obsolescence, and of course much easier to upgrade anything later. Most laptops are going to BGA, so other than upgrading HDD space is going to be it (even RAM is soldered to most laptop mobos today).

You could build a fairly sweet i5 / solid GPU system. Question is how much is the mobility of the laptop worth for you?


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Yeah, there's always the upgrade factor of course..
Thanks for the input

(12-17-2015, 05:47 PM)Dan-H Wrote:
(12-17-2015, 03:54 PM)Mattsen77 Wrote: Side question, there's a version of the above mentioned Dell machine that has pretty much the same specs but with an i5 instead, I wonder if the performance difference is noticeable much>?

I would look at the exact processor. Some mobile i5s are only two core with hyperthreading some are four core.

http://ark.intel.com/products/family/883...ssors#@All

Same with the i7
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/883...rs#@Mobile

the "HQ" processors are the ones to get if you can.

I have an i7 4850HQ in my macbook pro and it is stupid fast paired with the PCIe based flash storage (SSD).

Thanks for your input..

Yeah, there's the Skylake
i7-6700HQ (6M Cache, up to 3.50 GHz) *Hyper threading*
i5-6300HQ (6M Cache, up to 3.20 GHz) *Non-Hyper threading*

Someone mentioned that hyper threading may not help and possibly even hamper performance in gaming.. This was someone's reason for going wit the i5 version.
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12-18-2015, 01:45 AM,
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(12-17-2015, 06:44 PM)Mattsen77 Wrote: Someone mentioned that hyper threading may not help and possibly even hamper performance in gaming.. This was someone's reason for going wit the i5 version.

Yeah I would never put too much weight into that. I think the bigger point here is regarding the cores as mentioned earlier by Pwn & Dan. Thinking that 2 cores HT equals 4 cores is I think the message to gamers to avoid, as most games don't use more than 4. However will 4 cores HT have that much impact versus non HT? Minimally. You can always turn off HT for an i7 as well if it's that much of a stickler, and seeing early reviews for DX12 HT actually helps. So there is that to factor in. So I wouldn't avoid an i7 4 core HT CPU on this basis alone.



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12-18-2015, 01:22 PM,
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RE: Great laptop deal OR Build my own Desktop (comparison)
I've read where some turn off hyperthreading is when overclocking core i7 desktops to the extreme but other than that I've not seen any reason.

Back to the laptop CPUs, my point was some Core i3, core i5 and core i7 mobile processors have only two true cores and you have to look at the specs to find out which core i5 and core i7 processors have four true cores.
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