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Out of Date
10-01-2015, 05:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-01-2015, 05:44 PM by krazz760.)
#1
Out of Date
Hi there,

First, apologize if this the wrong section for this kind of Topic.

So my question is about my PC and it's parts. Are they too out of date to have a decent "modern day" PC? I have been getting lots of freezes, slow loading, lag, etc. recently and I've been now thinking about upgrading it in the near future.

I built this PC about 5 years ago so, give me your guy's opinion lol.

I was also thinking, it might just be the old HDD, maybe a simple SSD swap and that will help?

i3-2120, 8GB Ram, GTX 560, Asrock PRO3-GEN3, and then a 7200rpm like 750GB i think its a Seagate from an old prebuilt Dell
computer. Also running Windows 10 64-Bit

Any thoughts on if it's time to get a whole new PC? Or just a mobo and cpu, hdd to sdd? Any input is appreciated! Thanks ahead of time!
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10-02-2015, 08:21 AM,
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Well we are talking a sandy 2 core CPU here, and typically 5 years is really when considering upgrades is a good idea, the real answer to your question revolves around 2 things:

1.). What are you doing or what is happening when you experience these freezes or slowdowns?

2.). What do use this machine for, surfing, browsing, gaming, other? If gaming what games, and what settings.

Also an SSD would certainly help, but we're also to the point that any hardware failure will be hard to replace. If you can also throw in an idea of budget, would be swell.


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10-02-2015, 09:46 AM,
#3
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I would also look at the windows HW error logs and see if there are any HDD errors.

And should go without saying, make sure data is well backed up.
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10-02-2015, 11:49 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-02-2015, 11:51 AM by PwnBroker.)
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RE: Out of Date
how much data do you have on that hdd? a hdd starts to slow down after the first 25 percent of the total capacity is used. if that is the case here then an ssd will dramatically increase load times. for the freezing issue, it is probably the gpu. one way to test is to lower the settings and details to low on the game it is freezing and see if it runs smoother. if it does, time for a gpu upgrade.(of course, make sure the latest drivers for that card are up to date with the last set.) that 2 core sandy is still relevent for JUST ABOUT any game unless you are playing in some high player count servers, where you will encounter some cpu lag. my opinion, if you have the money build a new system(with a true 4 core cpu as a minimum). if not, start with at least a gpu upgrade and an ssd addition if u can swing it, then as dx12 titles start rolling out next year plan on upgrading the rest of the system.(again with a true 4 core cpu as a minimum)
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10-02-2015, 02:50 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-02-2015, 02:50 PM by MathieuB.)
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RE: Out of Date
Seeing what you have now, I'd upgrade to a quad-core CPU, such as a Core i5-2500K or if you do heavy tasks that can take adcantage of hyper-threading, such as audio/photo/video editing, the Core i7-2600/2700K would be a wise choice.

8GB of RAM is sufficient for most tasks, you can upgrade that later on.

Upgrading to a SSD for your main OS drive will definitely make a big impact in overall system responsiveness and reduce loading time/lag.

If you game, you're due for upgrading the video card too.

+1 on making sure that you have a backup plan.

So to recap:
Upgrade the CPU
Upgrade to a SSD
Upgrade the video card.
Laptop: MSI GS30 Shadow-045 Dimensions: 12.6" x 8.9" x 0.8" 2.65lbs CPU: Intel Core i7-4870HQ Quad-Core + Hyper-Threading OC 2.5-3.9GHz RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 Storage: 2x128GB SDD RAID0 Audio: ASUS Xonar U3 USB Sound Card + Audio-Technica ATH-M50 headphones Screen: 13.3" - 1920 x 1080 IPS + 27" Dell P2715Q IPS 3840 x 2160 Keyboard: Filco Majestouch MX Cherry Blue Mouse: Logitech MX518
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10-02-2015, 04:33 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-02-2015, 04:34 PM by krazz760.)
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(10-02-2015, 02:50 PM)MathieuB Wrote: Seeing what you have now, I'd upgrade to a quad-core CPU, such as a Core i5-2500K or if you do heavy tasks that can take adcantage of hyper-threading, such as audio/photo/video editing, the Core i7-2600/2700K would be a wise choice.

8GB of RAM is sufficient for most tasks, you can upgrade that later on.

Upgrading to a SSD for your main OS drive will definitely make a big impact in overall system responsiveness and reduce loading time/lag.

If you game, you're due for upgrading the video card too.

+1 on making sure that you have a backup plan.

So to recap:
Upgrade the CPU
Upgrade to a SSD
Upgrade the video card.

Info on my HDD - 698 GB Capacity, 204 GB Used, 493 GB Free

Do I need a new mobo? or for $ sake, just reuse my current one? And I use this PC for basic everyday stuff, I usually have Google Chrome, iTunes, and a game or 2 open. Lots of multitasking and use of alt+tab, im very fast so I notice whenever my PC is slow lol. SSD is something I've always wanted so I'll get one. Video card is a must haha. CPU is another big one I've wanted to get, just wasn't sure if it's necessary to get a whole new mobo and cpu or just a cpu.

Thanks for the replies everyone!
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10-02-2015, 05:04 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-02-2015, 05:05 PM by Dan-H.)
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Our slowest laptop in the family is a Intel Core i3 M 370 2.40GHz which is even older than your CPU and by installing a 250GB Samsung Evo, it went from almost un-usable to decent.

It has 8GB of RAM, and integrated (on CPU) graphics, and the main bottleneck was disk IO.

An example of before and after, was time to boot to windows 7, and start word, excel and chrome was almost 5 minutes. 16 seconds in BIOS, and 4 min 30 seconds until the chrome loaded the google home page.

After the SSD, power on, booting to windows and starting word, excel and chrome was 47 seconds, and this included the same 16 seconds in BIOS.

I considered the end of BIOS ( eg, the 16 seconds) the moment I saw the windows flag displayed.

I'd try that first, and if it makes it good enough for a while then you can delay upgrading for a little while. If not, the first part of your new computer, the SSD will already be purchased.
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.7Ghz Mobo: Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 5 GPU: MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G HSF: Cryorig R1 Ultimate
Mem: 2 x 8GB G.Skill TridentX DDR3 2400 SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 500GB + a few spinners
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10-02-2015, 07:54 PM,
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RE: Out of Date
(10-02-2015, 05:04 PM)Dan-H Wrote: Our slowest laptop in the family is a Intel Core i3 M 370 2.40GHz which is even older than your CPU and by installing a 250GB Samsung Evo, it went from almost un-usable to decent.

It has 8GB of RAM, and integrated (on CPU) graphics, and the main bottleneck was disk IO.

An example of before and after, was time to boot to windows 7, and start word, excel and chrome was almost 5 minutes. 16 seconds in BIOS, and 4 min 30 seconds until the chrome loaded the google home page.

After the SSD, power on, booting to windows and starting word, excel and chrome was 47 seconds, and this included the same 16 seconds in BIOS.

I considered the end of BIOS ( eg, the 16 seconds) the moment I saw the windows flag displayed.

I'd try that first, and if it makes it good enough for a while then you can delay upgrading for a little while. If not, the first part of your new computer, the SSD will already be purchased.

Makes sense to me, and I believe a simple SSD would do the trick haha. Looks like that'll be my next purchase
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10-03-2015, 07:46 PM,
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having all of those apps open at the same time, that little i3 is having anhard time keeping up. matb's suggestion would alleviate that. either the sandy i5 or i7 are available used on amazon since they are out of production and would not require a mb change.
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10-05-2015, 12:18 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-05-2015, 12:26 AM by pedwards.)
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(10-03-2015, 07:46 PM)PwnBroker Wrote: having all of those apps open at the same time, that little i3 is having anhard time keeping up. matb's suggestion would alleviate that. either the sandy i5 or i7 are available used on amazon since they are out of production and would not require a mb change.

Just to add:

Yes agree that it would require an i5 at least. Only point I would add here is as of late I've seen a resurge in prices on Amazon given they are out of production and some saying they are just as good as Skylake for OC (2500K / 2600K). I've seen prices as high as $500 for this which at this price point, can pickup a brand new Skylake i5 + Mobo and still come under. Even if $500 is the worst case scenario, what I say is we should still price compare the two options (Mobo + new Skylake CPU vs used Sandy) depending on what budget we have.

SSD will be a short term fix but with the number of concurrent apps / games, and "soon" would feel the need for more with new gaming titles coming out.

EDIT: ok I see they came down significantly after Skylake launch. Around $200 now. Still the question remains regarding for equivalent price points. I'm always of the opinion, if you are laying down money for tech - how long will it last and what are the price differences of other scenarios.

Anyhoo, my $0.02.


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