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Tier 4/5 Modified Build - Input Welcome!
10-28-2014, 05:09 PM,
#21
RE: Tier 2/3 Modified Build - Input Welcome!
(10-28-2014, 04:13 PM)Will S. Wrote: So I was working under the mistaken assumption that the clock speed on memory was driven by the processor, not the motherboard. I will update my build to show a less expensive i5, motherboard that supports faster memory, faster memory sticks, and an SSD drive.

I'm also wrestling with whether I need to get a case with a window and color code all my components, go for a more high end brushed metal looking case, or just go with whatever is cheap and good.

New build to be posted later tonight.

haswell will support up to 3000mhz or somewhere around. some motherboards will only support certain speeds of memory. my bad, i wasnt looking at your mother board specs. you will proably have to go with a premium board to get support for 1866. i would just stick with the H97 you chose and pick 1600 memory in order to stay in budget because with a discrete gpu its not going to matter.
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10-29-2014, 11:13 AM,
#22
RE: Tier 2/3 Modified Build - Input Welcome!
Thanks again for all the guidance, I'm grateful to you all!

My son and I are dialing in the build now and I hope to have it posted tonight. At this point we are arm wresting over aesthetics - I'm leaning toward a very sleek windowed case with USB and other inputs on the top front and everything else flat, while he wants a windowed case with lots of color and shape, red leds and color-matching internal components.
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10-29-2014, 03:32 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-29-2014, 03:35 PM by MathieuB.)
#23
RE: Tier 2/3 Modified Build - Input Welcome!
+1 for 1866MHz memory, you will get a few % more performance out of it and prices are close enough to make 1866MHz memory worth the slightly higher cost.

You can indeed add a SSD later. As lovely as it is to have one when it comes to having a very responsive PC, it's not going to improve performance while you play video games. Not worth sacrificing performance in game to load the game/levels faster IMHO. Some SSD manufacturers offer software to easily clone the content of a hard drive to a SSD.

Case wise, make sure you get one with good ventilation, preferably three fans. The R9 290 is a beast when it comes to power consumption and will dissipate a lot of heat in your case.

650W is plenty enough for now and for future upgrades down the road, say in 5 years. Power output does matters, but so does power quality, power efficiency, power protection and reliability. Don't cheap out on your power supply, it will cost you more in cash and frustration in the long run (less efficient (higher utility bill), more likely to die after less time, might kills parts while dying, might cause BSODs/crashes/freeze, etc.)
Laptop: MSI GS30 Shadow-045 Dimensions: 12.6" x 8.9" x 0.8" 2.65lbs CPU: Intel Core i7-4870HQ Quad-Core + Hyper-Threading OC 2.5-3.9GHz RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 Storage: 2x128GB SDD RAID0 Audio: ASUS Xonar U3 USB Sound Card + Audio-Technica ATH-M50 headphones Screen: 13.3" - 1920 x 1080 IPS + 27" Dell P2715Q IPS 3840 x 2160 Keyboard: Filco Majestouch MX Cherry Blue Mouse: Logitech MX518
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10-29-2014, 04:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-29-2014, 04:27 PM by MathieuB.)
#24
RE: Tier 2/3 Modified Build - Input Welcome!
You also might want to consider a Hybrid Hard Drive, basically a hard with 8GB of Flash onboard, that automatically caches your most used files. No need to install or configure anything, it works just like a standard hard drive but it's faster. Near where as fast as a SSD, but still faster than a standard hard drive.

Seagate offers three models:
- Seagate ST1000DX001 1 TB: $78: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-So...00EIQTOFY/
- Seagate ST2000DX001 2 TB: $109 http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-So...00EIQTKAS/

Avoid the 4TB model, it spins at 5,900rpm instead of 7,200rpm, thus offering slower performance.
Laptop: MSI GS30 Shadow-045 Dimensions: 12.6" x 8.9" x 0.8" 2.65lbs CPU: Intel Core i7-4870HQ Quad-Core + Hyper-Threading OC 2.5-3.9GHz RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 Storage: 2x128GB SDD RAID0 Audio: ASUS Xonar U3 USB Sound Card + Audio-Technica ATH-M50 headphones Screen: 13.3" - 1920 x 1080 IPS + 27" Dell P2715Q IPS 3840 x 2160 Keyboard: Filco Majestouch MX Cherry Blue Mouse: Logitech MX518
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10-29-2014, 05:01 PM,
#25
RE: Tier 2/3 Modified Build - Input Welcome!
Thanks for the input and the suggestion of a hybrid drive. I'm reworking the build and I think I'm safely in the Tier 3/4 range now!
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10-29-2014, 10:13 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-29-2014, 10:14 PM by PwnBroker.)
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RE: Tier 2/3 Modified Build - Input Welcome!
if going for the 1866 memory here is a z97 board that is about the same price as that H97 board you listed, its an ATX size so keep that in mind when buying a case:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...-_-Product
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10-30-2014, 09:31 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-30-2014, 09:39 AM by Will S..)
#27
RE: Tier 2/3 Modified Build - Input Welcome!
Good looking out PwnBroker, thanks! I think I'm going to go with a Micro ATX build to keep things compact and I found a similar AsRock board to the one you mentioned in that form factor for roughly the same price.

I understand I'll have to check case size/video card size, cooling options, etc. in that smaller form factor, but since I'm not going to do a dual video card setup or use a lot (or really any) expansion cards I think the smaller and the sleeker the better.

I tried pricing components that were color coordinated and a case with a good window, but in the end it's too much of a pain and drives the price up more than I want (do I really need a Sapphire Vapor card with 3 fans for $320-330 just so I can get it in blue?)

That being the case, my son wants a little flashier case so it looks cool on the outside. This 46-year-old dad and 13-year-old son have dramatically different ideas of what looks good/cool, so I'm hoping we can compromise on something like a Rosewill Redbone. To be continued...
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10-31-2014, 09:34 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-01-2014, 09:16 AM by Will S..)
#28
RE: Tier 2/3 Modified Build - Input Welcome!
Here is what I hope to be the final build. I would love to hear your thoughts on this. I have plugged it all in to PCPartPicker and done a good bit of cross checking to see if it's all compatible. Also, please see my notes below the build. Thanks!

Build version 3 (current):
CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 Haswell Quad-Core 3.3GHz LGA 1150 84W ($190)
CPU Cooler: Stock ($0)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97M Pro4 LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX ($90)
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) ($160)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s ($55)
Video Card: SAPPHIRE VAPOR-X 100362VXSR Radeon R9 290 4GB 512-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 ($300)
Case: SilverStone Precision Series PS07B-W With ABS / Aluminum / Steel MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case ($60)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650 G 80 PLUS GOLD Certified 650W Active PFC ($75)
Monitor: ASUS VE247H Black 23.6-Inch ($150)
Keyboard: GIGABYTE Force K3 Gaming Keyboard ($18)
Mouse: GIGABYTE M6800 GM-M6800 ($13)

Total $1121

Note 1: I already have a license for Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit

Note 2: I already have an optical drive but will try to skip it altogether

Note 3: I like the case and color coded parts - if any of them are wrong or bad choices I'll change, but since I'm spending this much money I might as well spend a little more to make it something that looks good to me.

Note 4: Prices have bounced around on a few items in the last several days. I would dearly have loved to keep this under $1000 and I'll shop around to find the best deals and/or get Newegg to price match on a new things.

Note 5: CPU - it's between this and the i5-4460 or the i5-4570. I went for the i5-4590 in this build because the prices were close, but I'll switch up this weekend when I place the order if I find a better deal.

Note 6: Looks like SSD is not going to make the cut - I'll get one later or when I place the order if I find an awesome deal.
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11-02-2014, 11:51 AM,
#29
RE: Tier 4/5 Modified Build - Input Welcome!
Thanks again for all your input. I've had some unexpected expenses come up which are forcing me to put the new build on hold. When I'm ready to start again I'll post here if I need help.
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