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T2 HTPC - watching HD
05-07-2013, 12:05 PM,
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Question  T2 HTPC - watching HD
Long time no write Hardware-Revolution! Hope all has been well.

I have a question that some of you might be able to answer. I'm having trouble watching video in HD on my Tier 2 HTPC. I run it to a 37" Panasonic Full HD LED TV. About a year ago I built the Tier 2 HTPC recommended by Mathieu. It's been great but I think I misunderstood what "The AMD Radeon HD 6310 is fully capable for 1080p video playback" actually means. With this system, what can you watch in 1080p?

I can't stream HD on Netflix. Also, the auto HD play from television sites such as Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS does not activate. I watch shows on their ".com" sites sometimes and it's always in Standard Definition. My Internet speed is 6Mbps which may be a little slow for HD playback (not sure) but my Tier 6.5 gaming PC plays everything in HD great (screen size is about 23" though). Of course the T6.5 PC components blow my T2 HTPC's components out of the water.

Is what I'm asking about more along the lines of "encoding" and "decoding" capability? If so, could a stronger CPU and GPU solve my issue?

Thanks for any input guys!
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570k Ivy Bridge CPU cooler: NZXT Havik 140 Mobo: Biostar TZ77XE3 LGA 1155 Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Full Tower RAM: 8GB (2x4GB) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Storage: Samsung 830 Series 256GB SSD PSU: Rosewill Capstone Series 650W 80+ Gold Audio: Asus Xonar DG 5.1 sound card Screen: Asus VH238H 23" 1080p HDMI LED monitor Keyboard: CM Storm Quick Fire Rapid Cherry MX Brown
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05-07-2013, 02:17 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-07-2013, 02:17 PM by MathieuB.)
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RE: T2 HTPC - watching HD
1080p is for local files (on your hard drive or blu-ray) playback, not necessarily streaming, which is a lot more demanding on the CPU.

Not sure why HD doesn't auto-activate with television websites, that might just be the standard on those websites.

6Mbps should be plenty for 1080p streaming.

What you need to stream 1080p is a more powerful CPU.
Laptop: MSI GS30 Shadow-045 Dimensions: 12.6" x 8.9" x 0.8" 2.65lbs CPU: Intel Core i7-4870HQ Quad-Core + Hyper-Threading OC 2.5-3.9GHz RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 Storage: 2x128GB SDD RAID0 Audio: ASUS Xonar U3 USB Sound Card + Audio-Technica ATH-M50 headphones Screen: 13.3" - 1920 x 1080 IPS + 27" Dell P2715Q IPS 3840 x 2160 Keyboard: Filco Majestouch MX Cherry Blue Mouse: Logitech MX518
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05-07-2013, 02:41 PM,
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RE: T2 HTPC - watching HD
Gotcha. That's what I thought but was hoping for some feedback from the pros. Thanks for the confirmation Mathieu! The T2 HTPC is doing exactly what you said it would and it's chugging (quietly) along nicely but maybe a mainstream HTPC build is in my future. Ha, I'm just looking for an excuse to build more devices!

Obviously the more powerful the better but what CPU and GPU (or what Tier) would you recommend for 1080p streaming? I'm thinking something in the "Mainstream" section. Sorry for all the questions but would a more powerful CPU and GPU help with encoding/decoding? Are those the processes that allow us to stream 1080p?
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570k Ivy Bridge CPU cooler: NZXT Havik 140 Mobo: Biostar TZ77XE3 LGA 1155 Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Full Tower RAM: 8GB (2x4GB) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Storage: Samsung 830 Series 256GB SSD PSU: Rosewill Capstone Series 650W 80+ Gold Audio: Asus Xonar DG 5.1 sound card Screen: Asus VH238H 23" 1080p HDMI LED monitor Keyboard: CM Storm Quick Fire Rapid Cherry MX Brown
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05-07-2013, 04:08 PM,
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RE: T2 HTPC - watching HD
I'm finishing up the update to the Budget Gaming PCs, it should be published tonight or tomorrow at the latest.

Something like a Tier 0.625 (with an AMD A10-5800K APU 3.8GHz Quad-Core with integrated Radeon HD 6550D GPU), with a Mini-ITX motherboard and Mini-ITX case would be perfect for 1080p streaming and some gaming as well, although with lower graphic settings at 1080p for modern games.
Laptop: MSI GS30 Shadow-045 Dimensions: 12.6" x 8.9" x 0.8" 2.65lbs CPU: Intel Core i7-4870HQ Quad-Core + Hyper-Threading OC 2.5-3.9GHz RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 Storage: 2x128GB SDD RAID0 Audio: ASUS Xonar U3 USB Sound Card + Audio-Technica ATH-M50 headphones Screen: 13.3" - 1920 x 1080 IPS + 27" Dell P2715Q IPS 3840 x 2160 Keyboard: Filco Majestouch MX Cherry Blue Mouse: Logitech MX518
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05-07-2013, 08:59 PM,
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RE: T2 HTPC - watching HD
If you're interested, I made my own version of a modified 0.625 that runs great, and has no problems that I've seen running HD to my TV at 1080, although admittedly I've used it more as a DVR than for Netflix, etc. Build and link (for pics on the related forum post) below. Actually, I'll try out some HD streaming stuff just to "double check" right now... Smile

http://forums.hardware-revolution.com/sh...p?tid=3949

Silverstone ML03 HTPC case
ASRock FM2A75 Pro-M FM2 Motherboard
AMD A6-5400K Trinity 3.6GHz APU (CPU+GPU)
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 4GB RAM (2x2GB)
Antec VP-450 450W PSU
Samsung 840 120GB SSD
WD Caviar Green 1.5TB HDD
Lite-On 4x BD-ROM
Apevia 80mm Case cooler (x2)
Ceton InfiniTV 4 PCI 4-tuner CableCard TV tuner
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, set to auto open Media Center
Rosewill Win7 Certified MCE IR remote

I should note that the stock cooler is a beast if it revs up, which is does by default, but that's easily fixed in the bios... Also, the cable card was the most expensive part of the build, and obviously is an option...
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05-08-2013, 07:20 AM,
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RE: T2 HTPC - watching HD
Ahhh, an APU. Nice. Thanks again for the feedback Mathieu. Nice build fillasophy; impressive how you fit that stuff into the silverstone case! I have the same case for my current htpc. Thanks for posting!
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570k Ivy Bridge CPU cooler: NZXT Havik 140 Mobo: Biostar TZ77XE3 LGA 1155 Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Full Tower RAM: 8GB (2x4GB) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Storage: Samsung 830 Series 256GB SSD PSU: Rosewill Capstone Series 650W 80+ Gold Audio: Asus Xonar DG 5.1 sound card Screen: Asus VH238H 23" 1080p HDMI LED monitor Keyboard: CM Storm Quick Fire Rapid Cherry MX Brown
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05-09-2013, 11:51 AM,
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RE: T2 HTPC - watching HD
your problem with netflix is silverlight which doesnt support hardware acceleration. so your cpu is having to do all of the work instead of being offloaded to the igpu. this was a common complaint with the netbooks. now when netflix moves to HTML5 will makes thing a lot better for browser based playback.

+1 on the a10-5800k, but its igpu is the 7660D not the 6550d.
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05-09-2013, 12:33 PM,
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Re: RE: T2 HTPC - watching HD
(05-09-2013, 11:51 AM)PwnBroker Wrote: +1 on the a10-5800k, but its igpu is the 7660D not the 6550d.

You're right, I mixed up the 7660D from the A10-5800k with the 6550D from the A8-3850 (Tier 0.5).

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Laptop: MSI GS30 Shadow-045 Dimensions: 12.6" x 8.9" x 0.8" 2.65lbs CPU: Intel Core i7-4870HQ Quad-Core + Hyper-Threading OC 2.5-3.9GHz RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 Storage: 2x128GB SDD RAID0 Audio: ASUS Xonar U3 USB Sound Card + Audio-Technica ATH-M50 headphones Screen: 13.3" - 1920 x 1080 IPS + 27" Dell P2715Q IPS 3840 x 2160 Keyboard: Filco Majestouch MX Cherry Blue Mouse: Logitech MX518
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05-09-2013, 01:14 PM,
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RE: T2 HTPC - watching HD
Intersting and valuable added info Pwnbroker. Thanks for all the responses everyone!
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570k Ivy Bridge CPU cooler: NZXT Havik 140 Mobo: Biostar TZ77XE3 LGA 1155 Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Full Tower RAM: 8GB (2x4GB) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Storage: Samsung 830 Series 256GB SSD PSU: Rosewill Capstone Series 650W 80+ Gold Audio: Asus Xonar DG 5.1 sound card Screen: Asus VH238H 23" 1080p HDMI LED monitor Keyboard: CM Storm Quick Fire Rapid Cherry MX Brown
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