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Computer losing boot drive occasionally
11-12-2012, 07:09 PM,
#11
Computer losing boot drive occasionally
I have decided it is the port, but I am replacing it anyway next spring. Even with four SATA drives, I have more ports than I need. The optical drives are IDE, LOL. There is even a floppy drive in the PC. Big Grin
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 CPU: Intel Core i7 3930K CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 GPU: EVGA GTX 650 2GB SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB HDDs: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB and Western Digital VelociRaptor 500 GB Motherboard: Asus P9X79 Pro RAM: 8x8GB (64GB) G. Skill Ripjaws Z 1600MHz Optical Drives: two Asus DRWB1ST PSU: Seasonic X650 80+ Gold Keyboard: Das Keyboard Professional S Mouse: Logitech Performance MX Tablet: Logitech T650 Monitors: NEC P241W and NEC PA241W Speakers: Bose Companion 3 Operating System: Windows 8 Pro 64 bit
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11-22-2012, 11:55 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-23-2012, 12:14 AM by mwhals.)
#12
Computer losing boot drive occasionally
Update: the problem still persist even after swapping cables and ports with another drive. The second drive that I swapped with has never disappeared or been a problem. This means to me that the hard drive electronics may be failing. I am now running Western Digital's Data LifeGuard Diagnostics on the drive.

The drive passed all the tests, so back to the beginning again. It is not the cable, port or seemingly the drive.
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 CPU: Intel Core i7 3930K CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 GPU: EVGA GTX 650 2GB SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB HDDs: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB and Western Digital VelociRaptor 500 GB Motherboard: Asus P9X79 Pro RAM: 8x8GB (64GB) G. Skill Ripjaws Z 1600MHz Optical Drives: two Asus DRWB1ST PSU: Seasonic X650 80+ Gold Keyboard: Das Keyboard Professional S Mouse: Logitech Performance MX Tablet: Logitech T650 Monitors: NEC P241W and NEC PA241W Speakers: Bose Companion 3 Operating System: Windows 8 Pro 64 bit
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11-25-2012, 08:42 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-25-2012, 08:44 AM by Konvikt.)
#13
RE: Computer losing boot drive occasionally
Could there be a capacitor/condensator loose or a pin broken/fractured around the location of where the cables are. Perhaps a mobo part is defective, making it a very local problem.

Turn off the pc and expose the mobo. No static electricity!! Slightly (and I do mean ever so slightly) tap capacitors/condensators to check if they are loose or bulgy (defective).

I recently had a defective supercap in a cd-player (yeah, that's right) I own. The guy that fixed it for me measured no resistance going through it, making my cd-player do random things. Tiny crap ass part was broken.

That just popped in. Maybe you could try it?

Edit:

It could even be a bit smudgy or deteriorated solder around the location of where the cables should connect.
Case: Cooler Master HAF XB. CPU: Intel i5 4670k @ 4,4gHz. Mobo: Asrock Z87 Extreme4. PSU: Corsair RM1000i. GPU: ASUS Strix 980ti. RAM: G.Skill TridentX 2400mHz C10 2x8gb. SSD: Samsung 840 Evo 256gb. OS: Win7. HDD: WD Digital Red 2tb. More! I need more!
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11-25-2012, 09:15 AM,
#14
Computer losing boot drive occasionally
Thanks I will give it a second look.
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 CPU: Intel Core i7 3930K CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 GPU: EVGA GTX 650 2GB SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB HDDs: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB and Western Digital VelociRaptor 500 GB Motherboard: Asus P9X79 Pro RAM: 8x8GB (64GB) G. Skill Ripjaws Z 1600MHz Optical Drives: two Asus DRWB1ST PSU: Seasonic X650 80+ Gold Keyboard: Das Keyboard Professional S Mouse: Logitech Performance MX Tablet: Logitech T650 Monitors: NEC P241W and NEC PA241W Speakers: Bose Companion 3 Operating System: Windows 8 Pro 64 bit
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11-25-2012, 04:58 PM,
#15
RE: Computer losing boot drive occasionally
I checked out the motherboard and no capacitors were loose nor were any bulging. I decided to try something different. I had been using only ports on the Intel SATA controller since I had some unused and was thinking a port was going bad. I noticed that I had never used the SATA ports on the JMicron SATA/PATA controller. I moved the boot drive from the INTEL ports to the JMicron ports to determine if it is the INTEL controller that is malfunctioning.

Things ruled out:

1. The drive itself
2. The capacitors
3. The cable

The only thing around the hard drive I hadn't checked was the SATA controller. I am typing this after having booted on the different SATA controller.
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 CPU: Intel Core i7 3930K CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 GPU: EVGA GTX 650 2GB SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB HDDs: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB and Western Digital VelociRaptor 500 GB Motherboard: Asus P9X79 Pro RAM: 8x8GB (64GB) G. Skill Ripjaws Z 1600MHz Optical Drives: two Asus DRWB1ST PSU: Seasonic X650 80+ Gold Keyboard: Das Keyboard Professional S Mouse: Logitech Performance MX Tablet: Logitech T650 Monitors: NEC P241W and NEC PA241W Speakers: Bose Companion 3 Operating System: Windows 8 Pro 64 bit
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11-27-2012, 08:49 PM,
#16
RE: Computer losing boot drive occasionally
I was able to read the blue screen when it just crashed and it said Kernel-data-inpage-error. In my research I found this means that a requested page of kernel data from the paging file could not be read into memory.

I also noticed a lot of noise from the hard drive when it booted up. The paging file must be residing where there is a bad sector on the hard drive. At least I now know the problem is with the hard drive, so I am going to do more testing.

I imaged this drive when I first installed everything a few weeks ago. I think I will restore the image to a different drive in the computer if my testing finds this drive is failing. I keep no data on this drive and I de-activated my Photoshop installation, so if it fails it is no lost data.
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 CPU: Intel Core i7 3930K CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 GPU: EVGA GTX 650 2GB SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB HDDs: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB and Western Digital VelociRaptor 500 GB Motherboard: Asus P9X79 Pro RAM: 8x8GB (64GB) G. Skill Ripjaws Z 1600MHz Optical Drives: two Asus DRWB1ST PSU: Seasonic X650 80+ Gold Keyboard: Das Keyboard Professional S Mouse: Logitech Performance MX Tablet: Logitech T650 Monitors: NEC P241W and NEC PA241W Speakers: Bose Companion 3 Operating System: Windows 8 Pro 64 bit
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11-28-2012, 10:06 AM,
#17
RE: Computer losing boot drive occasionally
could very well be. one way to find out if you have spare space on another drive is to partition a small page file partition and then reassign the page file to that partition.
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11-28-2012, 10:32 AM,
#18
Computer losing boot drive occasionally
That is exactly what I plan on doing. Chkdsk did not really find anything.
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 CPU: Intel Core i7 3930K CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 GPU: EVGA GTX 650 2GB SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB HDDs: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB and Western Digital VelociRaptor 500 GB Motherboard: Asus P9X79 Pro RAM: 8x8GB (64GB) G. Skill Ripjaws Z 1600MHz Optical Drives: two Asus DRWB1ST PSU: Seasonic X650 80+ Gold Keyboard: Das Keyboard Professional S Mouse: Logitech Performance MX Tablet: Logitech T650 Monitors: NEC P241W and NEC PA241W Speakers: Bose Companion 3 Operating System: Windows 8 Pro 64 bit
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11-30-2012, 05:24 PM,
#19
Computer losing boot drive occasionally
It happened again and this is two days after I moved the page drive to another hard drive. It doesn't matter at this point since there are parts to build a new powerful PC behind me. Smile
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 CPU: Intel Core i7 3930K CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 GPU: EVGA GTX 650 2GB SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB HDDs: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB and Western Digital VelociRaptor 500 GB Motherboard: Asus P9X79 Pro RAM: 8x8GB (64GB) G. Skill Ripjaws Z 1600MHz Optical Drives: two Asus DRWB1ST PSU: Seasonic X650 80+ Gold Keyboard: Das Keyboard Professional S Mouse: Logitech Performance MX Tablet: Logitech T650 Monitors: NEC P241W and NEC PA241W Speakers: Bose Companion 3 Operating System: Windows 8 Pro 64 bit
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