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need help w/ My First Build (<$600 Gaming PC)
04-10-2012, 08:27 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-13-2012, 10:30 AM by myth1485.)
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need help w/ My First Build (<$600 Gaming PC)
UPDATED:

Looking for a PC that is able to play current games, even if at the lower end of quality options, with the ability to upgrade in the future to better performance. Initially it will be used to play older games (Unreal Tournament 99, StarCraft 1, Age of Mythology: Titans) and will move to try newer games like Crysis 1, StarCraft II, and Shogun 2.

Budget Range: $500-600 Before Rebates
Overclocking and SLI/Crossfire: No (maybe in the future)
Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, speakers
Monitor Resolution: open to suggestions. any help here would be very much appreciated
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com
Country: USA

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Here's what I've been able to piece together from Tom's Hardware and Hardware Revolution.

GPU: ASUS EAH6850 Radeon HD 6850 1GB $150
CPU: Intel Pentium G630 $80
MoBo: MSI H67A-G43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel H67 ATX $90
RAM: G.SKILL 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333 1066 $42
OD: LITE-ON DVD Burner - 24X DVD Black SATA $18
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache $100
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 2 x 120mm case fans $60
PSU: Silverstone 500W 80PLUS $60
Monitor: Acer S201HLbd Black 20" 5ms LED 1600x900 $100
WiFi Adpater: TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 Wireless N Dual Band Adapter $45
Total: $600 ($745 with monitor and adapter) Before shipping, taxes, and rebates. Not including OS

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Barring anything unforeseeable, I'm fairly certain this is the final build I will be going with. And I'm submitting it for your approval.

So, I'm asking how future proof this system would be; both as-is and the potential for upgrading.
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04-10-2012, 10:52 AM,
#2
RE: help? My First Build (Budget Gaming PC)
I have a couple suggestions, feel free to take them or leave them. A few things I looked for was free shipping so that can save you some. Also are you completely opposed to buying on Amazon?

The first thing is CPU. You can always go mid way. $80 or $190 is a huge gap. My suggestion is the Intel Core i3-2120 for $127.

Next is the mobo, HR recommends the BIOSTAR H61MGC LGA 1155 it's $10 cheaper on amazon, $5 cheaper on Newegg.

Lastly is the Hard drive. The Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB is about the same price and considered a better performing hard drive. However, after looking at reviews the Western Digital has much better reviews and far fewer 1-eggs. So that's kinda up to you.

And a Best Monitors for your money was recently released. You can look through that for monitor ideas: http://www.hardware-revolution.com/best-...ring-2012/

Hope this helps.
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04-10-2012, 11:12 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-10-2012, 11:15 AM by myth1485.)
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RE: help? My First Build (Budget Gaming PC)
Completely opposed? No. My thinking was with Newegg being a single store shipping would be combined on all items. And returns, in the case of a DOA, would be easier through a single store rather than a bulletin board like Amazon. But if people usually have a good experience shopping for computer components on Amazon, then I'm perfectly willing. Big Grin

Based off a suggestion from Tom's Hardware, I've downgraded the CPU even more to the $80 Intel Pentium G630.

Last, and most importantly, thank you for the monitor guide! I'm going to tear through it straight away.
Okay, I really need help now.

I haven't gotten any comments on compatibility so I decided to run around the web to see if I could find a compatibility checker. Lo and behold, one exists Removed. But it's kicking out my GPU because my "Motherboard does not support PCIEx16/2.1".

Is this true? Do I need a new motherboard? Do I need to find one with PCIe 3.0 (I can't seem to find any that say anything other than PCIe 2.0 or 3.0)?
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04-11-2012, 11:44 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-11-2012, 11:52 AM by Pineappl.)
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RE: need help w/ My First Build (<$600 Gaming PC)
Mr. Mathieu just commented on someone else's thread planning to use the same mobo as you and suggested upgrading a bit as the budget ones have reliability issues. Here is the thread: http://forums.hardware-revolution.com/sh...p?tid=2787

And you won't need one with PCI-e 3.0 as a 6870 is a 2.1 interface. 3.0 is backwards compatible with 2.0.
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04-11-2012, 11:48 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-11-2012, 12:22 PM by myth1485.)
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RE: need help w/ My First Build (<$600 Gaming PC)
Okay, I really need help now.

I haven't gotten any comments on compatibility so I decided to run around the web to see if I could find a compatibility checker. Lo and behold, one exists Link Removed. But it's kicking out my GPU because my "Motherboard does not support PCIEx16/2.1".

Is this true? Do I need a new motherboard? Do I need to find one with PCIe 3.0 (I can't seem to find any that say anything other than PCIe 2.0 or 3.0)?

It also says that my power usage during Idle/Peak will be 269W/585W(estimated) which is much higher than I thought it would be. Any comments on how accurate that peak estimate is? Should I upgrade my power supply?
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04-11-2012, 12:22 PM,
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RE: need help w/ My First Build (<$600 Gaming PC)
Considering that you'll be playing at 1600 x 900, a resolution that isn't that demanding from the video card, I'd recommend downgrading your video card to a Radeon HD 6850 and upgrading your CPU to a Core i3-2120 instead.

The 500W power supply that you picked will have no problem running your system. The motherboard will have no problem with the video card either.

That GooeyPC site does specify that "This alpha version is in the very early stages of release", which would explain conflicting information.

Other than that, you're good to go Smile
You can save a good $50 with going with a lower-end motherboard: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005HMZ740/

You'd lose USB 3.0 (do you actually need USB 3.0?) and SATA III 6.0GB/s (the hard drive will run fine and with the same performance on SATA II 3.0GB/s, but other than that, it's compatible for your build and an option to consider if you want to cut down on the cost.

Speaking of the cost: You're getting a relatively powerful PC, capable of running the majority of games maxed out or at high graphic settings for $600-$700. Compared to the cost of a PC offering similar capabilities ten or even five years ago, that's nothing Wink
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04-11-2012, 12:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-11-2012, 01:19 PM by myth1485.)
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RE: need help w/ My First Build (<$600 Gaming PC)
Thank you Pineappl, once again. I upgraded my mobo. (And gave you a +1 for going out of your way)

MathieuB, I actually started this build off with a Core i3-2120 and was told that it was a bit overkill when compared to my GPU (and the step down saves me some much needed money in my tight budget). Also, from the benchmarks I've seen (and given the $30 price difference) I think that the Radeon HD 6870 is a better buy over the Radeon HD 6850. Bare in mind that while I may not be able to take full advantage of the 6870, I selected the card with longevity in mind. Any thoughts on this?

And thank you for the big sigh of relief about the PSU.



Edit: Regarding the motherboard, I don't need SATA III or USB 3.0 (I don't think so anyway) but I would like at least 6 USB ports

1) Wireless Mouse/KB
2) Speakers
3) Wireless WiFi adpater
4) I'd like more than one free slot
5) is an odd number Big Grin
6) Bingo
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04-11-2012, 01:02 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-11-2012, 01:02 PM by MathieuB.)
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RE: need help w/ My First Build (<$600 Gaming PC)
A Core i3-2120 overkill for a Radeon HD 6870? That's rubbish.

If anything, a G630 is a bottleneck for the 6870. You can see the difference in gaming performance between the G620 and the Core i3-2100 (the slower variants of the G630 and i3-2120 respectively) here: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=406

If you're shooting for longevity, then a Core i3-2120 and Radeon HD 6870 would be a good match.

Alternatively, you can save money by going with a G620 ($10 cheaper than the G630, only 100MHz slower) and a Radeon HD 6850. Then down the road, upgrade to more powerful parts.

For USB ports, get an USB Hub, which goes for $7-20 or so.
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04-11-2012, 01:23 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-11-2012, 01:27 PM by myth1485.)
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RE: need help w/ My First Build (<$600 Gaming PC)
(04-11-2012, 01:02 PM)MathieuB Wrote: If you're shooting for longevity, then a Core i3-2120 and Radeon HD 6870 would be a good match.

Alternatively, you can save money by going with a G620 ($10 cheaper than the G630, only 100MHz slower) and a Radeon HD 6850. Then down the road, upgrade to more powerful parts.

For USB ports, get an USB Hub, which goes for $7-20 or so.

^This, in combination with your recommended motherboard, just might be the perfect fit for me. Thank you so much.

Edit: What about a non-micro ATX board?
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04-11-2012, 01:30 PM,
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RE: need help w/ My First Build (<$600 Gaming PC)
What about them?
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