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960T
03-06-2012, 05:07 PM,
#1
960T
Hey there,

I was thinking of upgrading my CPU. The full specs of my computer are in my signature. I was looking specifically at the 960T. It is only $99 at microcenter right now. I read through the Toms articles/forums and searched here for the 960T.

I am not planning on upgrading any other components at this time. I like the 960T for these reason. Still 95w as is my 840, black edition for OC, L3 cache that I dont have on my current processor, potential for unlocking to 6 core.

Still from reading on the other forums people seem to be favoring the 965BE or 970BE. Those aren't even available at microcenter right now and the 970BE is $129 on newegg.

Am I right in assuming the 960T is a good value at $99 and will still get comparable performance with the 125w processors with a decent OC? Any other things i might want to consider?

Thanks,

Zac

Case: CM HAF 922 CPU: I5 3570K CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i GPU: Gigabyte AMD RADEON HD 7950 SSD: Sandisk Extreme 240GB HDD: WD Caviar Blue 500GB MB: Biostar TZ77 XE4 RAM: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB DDR3-1600 Optical Drive: Sony Optiarc PSU: NZXT HALE82 750w Monitor: HP w2338h
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03-06-2012, 05:25 PM,
#2
RE: 960T
For $99, it's a good buy I'd say. At stock, it's 200MHz slower than the X4 840, but if you overclock it, that's irrelevant. You do gain 6MB of L3 cache, which does provide a nice 5-10% performance boost in games but in the downside, it does add a bit of heat to the CPU too.

If you do unlock it though, keep in mind that your overclocking will most likely be a bit limited by your CPU Cooler. I had a Phenom II X2 555 unlocked to a quad-core and 3.6GHz was as high as I could go with reasonable temperatures for 24/7 usage, even though the CPU could run at 4GHz-4.2GHz. That was with a Hyper 212 Plus. Mind you, your case offers more airflow than what I had before, but still.
Laptop: MSI GS30 Shadow-045 Dimensions: 12.6" x 8.9" x 0.8" 2.65lbs CPU: Intel Core i7-4870HQ Quad-Core + Hyper-Threading OC 2.5-3.9GHz RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 Storage: 2x128GB SDD RAID0 Audio: ASUS Xonar U3 USB Sound Card + Audio-Technica ATH-M50 headphones Screen: 13.3" - 1920 x 1080 IPS + 27" Dell P2715Q IPS 3840 x 2160 Keyboard: Filco Majestouch MX Cherry Blue Mouse: Logitech MX518
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03-06-2012, 05:53 PM,
#3
RE: 960T
The potential unlock to 6 cores was "nice" to have but not "need" in my setup, more just a future or tinkering aspect that I thought might be fun at some point. I am probably going to leave it as a 4 core. I do have my 212 setup with dual fan hooked to the CPU fan controller with a Y cable.

My case is setup in the standard fashion with the large intake fan on the front and large exhaust fan on the top. I have an additional 120 on the side panel as an exhaust fan. I set it up like this because with the PSU I have was making a lot of fan noise mounted upside down to get the fan blowing out the bottom of the case. So, right now my PSU blows right at my GPU which is dumb but significantly less noisy. Also I have not had any temp issues to far. I put that 120 on the side to "intercept" some of that hot air as it does sit just about between the PSU and GPU.

I know you recommend doing manual overclock. The vCore is the voltage i should be concerned with correct? What is the DO NOT EXCEED number you would recommend for voltage, Ghz, temp? I would like to try to push to around 3.8 or 3.9Ghz. Should I be more conservative?
Case: CM HAF 922 CPU: I5 3570K CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i GPU: Gigabyte AMD RADEON HD 7950 SSD: Sandisk Extreme 240GB HDD: WD Caviar Blue 500GB MB: Biostar TZ77 XE4 RAM: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB DDR3-1600 Optical Drive: Sony Optiarc PSU: NZXT HALE82 750w Monitor: HP w2338h
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03-06-2012, 06:03 PM,
#4
RE: 960T
Yes, vCore is what you have to consider. 1.5V (1.55V with higher-end cooling) is the max that I'd recommend for 24/7. 60-65C is the maximum temperature that you want on it. GHz you can push as much as you can as long as you respect the max vCore/temperatures.

The Phenom II CPUs do like low temperatures, so if you want to unlock it/push it to the max in the future, a CPU Cooler upgrade down the road would help.
Laptop: MSI GS30 Shadow-045 Dimensions: 12.6" x 8.9" x 0.8" 2.65lbs CPU: Intel Core i7-4870HQ Quad-Core + Hyper-Threading OC 2.5-3.9GHz RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 Storage: 2x128GB SDD RAID0 Audio: ASUS Xonar U3 USB Sound Card + Audio-Technica ATH-M50 headphones Screen: 13.3" - 1920 x 1080 IPS + 27" Dell P2715Q IPS 3840 x 2160 Keyboard: Filco Majestouch MX Cherry Blue Mouse: Logitech MX518
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03-06-2012, 06:05 PM,
#5
RE: 960T
Thanks for the help. It is much appreciated. I am certainly more in the weekend warrior camp than technical guru.
Case: CM HAF 922 CPU: I5 3570K CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i GPU: Gigabyte AMD RADEON HD 7950 SSD: Sandisk Extreme 240GB HDD: WD Caviar Blue 500GB MB: Biostar TZ77 XE4 RAM: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB DDR3-1600 Optical Drive: Sony Optiarc PSU: NZXT HALE82 750w Monitor: HP w2338h
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03-06-2012, 06:07 PM,
#6
RE: 960T
No problem. We welcome all type of members here, from the complete newbie first-time builder to the pros Smile
Laptop: MSI GS30 Shadow-045 Dimensions: 12.6" x 8.9" x 0.8" 2.65lbs CPU: Intel Core i7-4870HQ Quad-Core + Hyper-Threading OC 2.5-3.9GHz RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 Storage: 2x128GB SDD RAID0 Audio: ASUS Xonar U3 USB Sound Card + Audio-Technica ATH-M50 headphones Screen: 13.3" - 1920 x 1080 IPS + 27" Dell P2715Q IPS 3840 x 2160 Keyboard: Filco Majestouch MX Cherry Blue Mouse: Logitech MX518
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03-08-2012, 05:24 PM,
#7
RE: 960T
Hey there again. I did end up going and picking up the 960T. I just wanted relay some comments about my purchase experience and what I have done since I installed the new processor.

I got the 960T for $99 as advertised. Also, just because it was free in a bundle I got the Gigabyte GA-78LMT-SP2 Socket AM3+ 760G mATX. Total I ended up paying was $108.24. As a little bonus I also got a $10 MIR with my free motherboard. That was a nice little bonus. Added bonus I'm gonna get to do a super cheap build for my dad using the my old processor and the free board. Just need a power supply and some ram.

After I installed the chip major disappointment when I first fired up Deus Ex. It was choppy and clearly not as good as the 840 I had installed. However after a little searching I found someone who had a similar problem on overclock.net. The fix was to update the BIOS for the MB. After checking my BIOS version I noticed that there was an update for the board. Watched a youtube video on updating BIOS for an ASUS board. It was simple and I got that done. Deus Ex ran much better after the BIOS update and still no overclocking done.

Currently I have changed all the BIOS setting to manual for OCing. I have the vCore set and the stock 1.3v and multiplier at 17.5 to get to 3.5Ghz. I have disabled cool'n quiet. I have benched it using 3Dmark06. As I type this I have prime95 running in blend. It has been running for about a half hour with no problems so far. I have been monitoring the CPU temps with AMD overdrive utility. Core temps are all around 27.5 and the CPU temperature is 44 with little or no variance.

Just looking back at your recommendations the max temp has to be the CPU temp correct? As I push a little further each time assuming all continues to go with this, should I be bumping up the vCore regardless of a failure in prime95 or can I keep pushing the multiplier until i get a failure in prime95 then bump the vCore if necessary? Of course always keeping in my the temps you have outlined so far.

Again, thanks a bunch for all the help you have already provided!
Case: CM HAF 922 CPU: I5 3570K CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i GPU: Gigabyte AMD RADEON HD 7950 SSD: Sandisk Extreme 240GB HDD: WD Caviar Blue 500GB MB: Biostar TZ77 XE4 RAM: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB DDR3-1600 Optical Drive: Sony Optiarc PSU: NZXT HALE82 750w Monitor: HP w2338h
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03-08-2012, 05:34 PM,
#8
RE: 960T
I would up the multiplier until you get a failure. When you do, upping the vCore should get rid of that failure. Keep doing this until you hit a spot you are satisfied with. Like Matheiu said more than 1.5V isn't recommended.
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