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Mixing new and used build
01-22-2012, 01:40 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-22-2012, 01:43 AM by jburnsy.)
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Mixing new and used build
New to the site but I've found it very useful so far and would like to get a second opinion on my build plans. If you're not into long posts, I've basically got my concerns boiled down to the list below...Thanks!

tl;dr
Is WinXP 32-bit compatible with a Tier 4 system?
Is DDR2 RAM compatible with ASRock H61M/U3S3?
Is legacy SATA HDD and IDE DVD compatible with ASRock H61M/U3S3?
Which is a better gaming combo? Tier 4 mobo with Tier 5 graphics or Tier 5 mobo with Tier 4 graphics...for example:
Intel i5 2400, ASRock H61M/U3S3 with Geforce 560 Ti
Intel i5 2400, ASRock Z68 with Radeon HD 6870
Is it practical to upgrade your mobo while keeping everything else? For example going from ASRock H61M/U3S3 to the ASRock Z68
Cases: NZXT Gamma vs. Rosewill Destroyer? I assume the Rosewill is recommended in the Tier 4 because of the 3 fans, but according to Toms Hardware the cooling compared to the NZXT Gamma is marginal. I'm leaning towards the NZXT because its got a higher rating in Newegg and reviews there say the Destroyer only comes with 2 standoff screws, and as for fans I have 2 spare fans I can throw in the NZXT.

Directors cut:
This will be my second build. I'm sure I could have done my first that I did in 2008 a lot better, but now my video card has died and I am planning my second build. I play Eve, SWTOR, Silent Hunter and Microsoft FSX. My old rig ran them ok on 1920 x 1080, but I'd like to get up to the moderate to high graphic settings. Ultra is not in my budget of $500. Based on my research here I figure a Tier 3 or 4 system will get me there, but I can't do it all right now. To save money I intend to use some of the parts from my first build and do a second phase upgrade later in the year to replace them. Here's the 2008 build as a reference. (copied from my Newegg order history Big Grin)

ASUS P5N-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
ZOTAC GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 (<--- KIA)
2 x OCZ Gold 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-730SS 730W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V Power Supply
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
HP DVD Writer 300c (Old IDE Optical drive carried over from dawn of time)
Windows XP 32bit

Here's the plan for the new build. I want to keep the PSU and the harddrive for sure. I don't know if the RAM is compatible and if I'll be able to add another 2 x 2GB to make a total 8GB, though I hear RAM is cheap so maybe I should just cough up the money for the new 2 x 4GB. Same with my DVD drive. I hardly use it since I've discovered Steam, but I need to install an OS somehow and I don't even know if current Mobo's even support ancient IDE technology. I also need a new case so I have to spend there, my current tower is officially a POS.

Build Phase I:
Free - RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-730SS 730W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V Power Supply
Free - Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Free - Windows XP 32bit
$180 - Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz
$210 - GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
$70 - ASRock H61M/U3S3 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard*
*I REALLY wanted to stretch to the Tier5 ASRock Z68 but I think I'm better off spending the money on the graphics than a mobo...thoughts?
$40 - NZXT GAMMA Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case**
** May be talked into getting the Rosewill Destroyer but not sure.
??? - RAM, can I use existing 2 x 2GB DDR2 from last build for now?
??? - Optical drive undecided but will use legacy DVD if compatible
=$500!

Build Phase II
??? - WINDOWS 7 (finally)
$135 - Upgrade HDD to Sandisk Ultra 120GB SATA II 2.5″ SSD
$50 - Upgrade RAM to Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CAS 9 1.5v
*Waiting on student discount for Windows 7 and SSD prices to come down.

Yeah I know its a long post but I spent most the the night working on this. I'd really appreciate some thoughts. Love this site by the way, awesome! Thanks in advance,
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01-22-2012, 06:43 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-22-2012, 06:44 AM by jangelelcangry.)
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RE: Mixing new and used build
yes xp is compatible withe tier4 unless you want to use more than 4 gb of ram or play BF3. note: BF3 is not compatible with any version of windows xp
No lga 1155 and lga 2011 only uses ddr3
Between 2 i would prefer u3s3 with 560ti but if you prefer to upgrade the motherboard go with the 560 ti and the z68 mobo because i think that z68 is compatible with ivy bridge
between the two cases i don't know but i have the cm haf 912 $60 but is a very good case you can mount ssds in front of the psu, it can hold a radeon 5970 with hdd cage installed but if you want to manage the cables better try to get a modular psu.
you can use your current hdds or dvd drives as long those are sata.
hope this help
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01-22-2012, 12:11 PM,
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RE: Mixing new and used build
Windows XP 32-bit is compatible but not recommended, as it would severely limit performance, seeing as it can only address a maximum of 4GB of memory (this includes RAM, video card VRAM, etc.)
DDR2 is not compatible with that motherboard.
SATA hard drives are compatible with it, but not IDE devices.

The 2nd gaming combo will offer higher performance, but the first one has a more future-proof motherboard. The 1st gaming combo would still run games at high easily.

Cases: Either one will do, go with whichever you prefer Wink
Laptop: MSI GS30 Shadow-045 Dimensions: 12.6" x 8.9" x 0.8" 2.65lbs CPU: Intel Core i7-4870HQ Quad-Core + Hyper-Threading OC 2.5-3.9GHz RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 Storage: 2x128GB SDD RAID0 Audio: ASUS Xonar U3 USB Sound Card + Audio-Technica ATH-M50 headphones Screen: 13.3" - 1920 x 1080 IPS + 27" Dell P2715Q IPS 3840 x 2160 Keyboard: Filco Majestouch MX Cherry Blue Mouse: Logitech MX518
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01-22-2012, 03:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-22-2012, 03:43 PM by jburnsy.)
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RE: Mixing new and used build
Thanks for the feedback so far. Just a clarification...

A) Intel i5 2400, ASRock H61M/U3S3 with Geforce 560 Ti
B) Intel i5 2400, ASRock Z68 with Radeon HD 6870

You're saying that option A, Tier4 mobo with Tier5, graphics will still run games at high but is more future proof? And that option B, Tier5 mobo with Tier4 graphics will offer higher performance?
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01-22-2012, 03:45 PM,
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RE: Mixing new and used build
Nope, the other way around, my bad.
Laptop: MSI GS30 Shadow-045 Dimensions: 12.6" x 8.9" x 0.8" 2.65lbs CPU: Intel Core i7-4870HQ Quad-Core + Hyper-Threading OC 2.5-3.9GHz RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 Storage: 2x128GB SDD RAID0 Audio: ASUS Xonar U3 USB Sound Card + Audio-Technica ATH-M50 headphones Screen: 13.3" - 1920 x 1080 IPS + 27" Dell P2715Q IPS 3840 x 2160 Keyboard: Filco Majestouch MX Cherry Blue Mouse: Logitech MX518
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