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Long term questions...
12-28-2011, 06:12 PM,
#11
RE: Long term questions...
(12-28-2011, 05:10 PM)Brian Wrote:
(12-28-2011, 03:33 PM)Poppy-seede Wrote:
(12-28-2011, 03:06 PM)Brian Wrote:
(12-25-2011, 06:36 PM)Poppy-seede Wrote: I would get a Radeon 6850 instead considering it's cheaper/better,and atleast a 500w psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...0eco%20520

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6814102908

You most definitely do not need a 500W power supply.

Sorry I ment for overhead room if down the road he wanted an I5 And a few other things.

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You still don't need 500W for an i5.

I'm wondering about that. According to the calculator an I5-2500 and a GTX 560TI leave me at an approximate 400W. Throw in a few couple devices and I'm at 500W. But why would I want to run my PSU on the max possible output?

After reading the articles about PSU and seeing the recommendations for
tier 2 till tier 6 ranging from 550W -650W, which this PC would perfectly fit in, why would I want less than 500W?
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12-28-2011, 07:00 PM,
#12
RE: Long term questions...
You're correct that a i5 2500 and a GTX 560 Ti should be about 400W. I don't know what you mean by "throw in a couple devices" but the 400W figure includes the entire system, barring anything extreme (like 10 hard drives).
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced CPU: Intel Core i7 2600K CPU Cooler: Thermalright Silver Arrow CPU TIM: Thermalright Chill Factor III GPU: Sapphire Radeon 6970 VGA Cooler: Arctic Cooling Accelero Xtreme Plus SSD: Crucial M4 256GB HDD: Samsung F3 1TB Motherboard: ASRock P67 PRO3 RAM: 4x4GB (16GB) Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600MHz Optical Drive: ASUS 24X PSU: 550W Kingwin Lazer 80 Plus Platinum Fan Controller: Scythe Kaze Q12 Sound Card: Asus Xonar Essence STX Keyboard: Rosewill RK-9000 Cherry MX Blue Mouse: Logitech G500 Monitor: Sceptre 27"
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12-28-2011, 07:31 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-28-2011, 07:36 PM by bigwig001.)
#13
RE: Long term questions...
I know that there are some differences 500W power supplies from different manufacturers. I don't think with the setup that I listed, I would have an issue with either of the ones discussed, but I appreciate the input. Nonetheless, I don't think I want to be operating at or near my max power output. Whether it is for future upgrades or just to keep from killing my machine, better safe than sorry!

So, sitting here thinking about it, is having a higher than necessary PSU a bad thing? Other than possibly upping your electric bill? Or, is it an on-demand thing? I.E. if my system only requires max of 400W but I have a 600W PSU, it is only going to draw 400W. Would that somehow degrade the life of the PSU down the line?
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12-28-2011, 08:05 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-28-2011, 08:20 PM by Brandonsr.)
#14
RE: Long term questions...
This is what Mathieu said: Give your power supply some overhead:
While you can match a 650W PSU with a 630W requirement, it is good practice to add about 100W of overhead, so that your PSU doesn’t run at full capacity all the time, as that will reduce its lifespan, increase its chance of failure, increase its heat output and its noise output.

I'm no expert I've only built one computer. I read that over the years the power supply will weaken, so having 100w leftover wont hurt to have.
Case: Corsair Carbide Air 540 CPU: i5 3570K Cooler: Water Loop Motherboard: ASrock Extreme 3 Gen 3 Z68
Memory:
Corsair Vengeance 8gb] Video Card: EVGA GTX 1070 FE Power Supply: Corsair TX 750w
Storage:
Samsung 840 120gb
Monitor:
Acer S231HLbid 23" Mouse: RAZER DeathAdder 3.5G Keyboard: Ducky DK9008G2 PRO MX Cherry Blue
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12-28-2011, 08:20 PM,
#15
RE: Long term questions...
So, looking at the specs of your pc in your signature, it looks pretty similar to what I am building. I am wondering if you are happy with it? Does it run what you need? Do you play many games with it?
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12-28-2011, 08:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-28-2011, 08:29 PM by Brandonsr.)
#16
RE: Long term questions...
(12-28-2011, 08:20 PM)bigwig001 Wrote: So, looking at the specs of your pc in your signature, it looks pretty similar to what I am building. I am wondering if you are happy with it? Does it run what you need? Do you play many games with it?

So far iv'e played Oblivion, fallout New vegas, and Batman Arkham Asylum. all three of those games have been very smooth at max settings, But i don't have a 1920 x 1080 monitor i own a 32" LCD 1360x768.
Case: Corsair Carbide Air 540 CPU: i5 3570K Cooler: Water Loop Motherboard: ASrock Extreme 3 Gen 3 Z68
Memory:
Corsair Vengeance 8gb] Video Card: EVGA GTX 1070 FE Power Supply: Corsair TX 750w
Storage:
Samsung 840 120gb
Monitor:
Acer S231HLbid 23" Mouse: RAZER DeathAdder 3.5G Keyboard: Ducky DK9008G2 PRO MX Cherry Blue
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12-28-2011, 08:47 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-28-2011, 09:04 PM by Brian.)
#17
RE: Long term questions...
(12-28-2011, 08:05 PM)Poppy-seede Wrote: This is what Mathieu said: Give your power supply some overhead:
While you can match a 650W PSU with a 630W requirement, it is good practice to add about 100W of overhead, so that your PSU doesn’t run at full capacity all the time, as that will reduce its lifespan, increase its chance of failure, increase its heat output and its noise output.

I'm no expert I've only built one computer. I read that over the years the power supply will weaken, so having 100w leftover wont hurt to have.

That's where Mathieu and I disagree. I do not believe in giving your power supply overhead, unless you know you're going to upgrade to use that overhead. A quality power supply will be able to output its rated wattage constantly over many years. If you don't trust your power supply to do that, then you need a better power supply, not a bigger one. I'd rather buy a smaller wattage but higher quality unit. You can't really trust a generic power supply, but you should be able to trust an enthusiast grade power supply.

The phenomenon where a power supply 'weakens' after many years is called capacitor aging, and it affects lower quality power supplies much more than higher quality ones. Higher end power supplies also tend to be underrated for what they're actually capable of outputting, so capacitor aging really doesn't tend to be much of an issue if you buy a decent power supply (for example, the Antec HCP 1200W can easily supply 1500W of power continuously without breaking a sweat).

Again, the only situation where I recommend overhead is when you know that you're going to upgrade. Unless you are entirely certain, most likely there's no point.
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced CPU: Intel Core i7 2600K CPU Cooler: Thermalright Silver Arrow CPU TIM: Thermalright Chill Factor III GPU: Sapphire Radeon 6970 VGA Cooler: Arctic Cooling Accelero Xtreme Plus SSD: Crucial M4 256GB HDD: Samsung F3 1TB Motherboard: ASRock P67 PRO3 RAM: 4x4GB (16GB) Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600MHz Optical Drive: ASUS 24X PSU: 550W Kingwin Lazer 80 Plus Platinum Fan Controller: Scythe Kaze Q12 Sound Card: Asus Xonar Essence STX Keyboard: Rosewill RK-9000 Cherry MX Blue Mouse: Logitech G500 Monitor: Sceptre 27"
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12-29-2011, 08:08 AM,
#18
RE: Long term questions...
Hmm...great info all. I work with 20+ year old power supplies and regulators in my day job, so I am very familiar with capacitor aging. I don't believe that the one I buy will have to last me that long!
I guess if i were to merge the two theories, and stick with a quality PSU, around 450-500W I will be great for quite some time.

@Poppy-seede, thanks for the info on your setup. I am looking forward to getting everything so I can get this puppy built!
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12-29-2011, 12:41 PM,
#19
Re: Long term questions...
Can't wait to see pictures Smile

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Case: Corsair Carbide Air 540 CPU: i5 3570K Cooler: Water Loop Motherboard: ASrock Extreme 3 Gen 3 Z68
Memory:
Corsair Vengeance 8gb] Video Card: EVGA GTX 1070 FE Power Supply: Corsair TX 750w
Storage:
Samsung 840 120gb
Monitor:
Acer S231HLbid 23" Mouse: RAZER DeathAdder 3.5G Keyboard: Ducky DK9008G2 PRO MX Cherry Blue
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01-05-2012, 05:24 PM,
#20
RE: Long term questions...
Hey guys. So, I have recently been able to increase my budget and will be buying all in the next 1 - 2 weeks! Seeing as new budget is $900, and I already bought the case (Rosewill Challenger), I made some alterations to my build and want to see what you thought.

GPU: Gigabyte HD-6950 1GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6814125385

MoBo: Gigabyte Z68A-D3H-B3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6813128502

PSU: Antec High Current Gamer series 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817371049

CPU: Intel i5-2500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6819115072

RAM: G. Skill Value series 8GB 1333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820231422

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6822148767

OS: Windows 7 64 bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6832116986

Total is $902.93 before shipping, most of which is free!

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