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Help, Gaming Budget Computer
09-18-2011, 08:09 PM,
#21
RE: Help, Gaming Budget Computer
OK that makes a lot more sense. I will stick with this motherboard then. Thanks for all the help.

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09-19-2011, 01:47 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-19-2011, 01:47 PM by joshlete.)
#22
RE: Help, Gaming Budget Computer
So someone recommended me another fairly similar setup but more cheap.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6811147144
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6814130649
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817371030
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820231416
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...813138317R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6819115072

This all comes to around $591, including the GPU. It looks pretty much just like the other setup to me. I am just wondering how the GPU's and motherboard compare. This new motherboard only supports 16gb ram. For the next 4 or so years, do you think I'd have to go higher than that?
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09-19-2011, 10:43 PM,
#23
RE: Help, Gaming Budget Computer
Both cases are comparable, so I'll leave up to you to choose the one that you prefer.

The GTX 460 1GB is quite more powerful than a Radeon HD 6790, however you're currently looking at a recertified product, meaning that it comes with only a 90 days warranty and that's more likely to be either DOA (Dead On Arrival) or to break down over time compared to a brand new card. I think that it's a great deal and customer reviews are all right, but whether the lower price makes it worth taking these risks or not is up to you.

The new PSU is slightly less efficient (80 PLUS vs 80 PLUS Bronze) than the other one and also, it does not include a power cord. Other than that, it's a good choice.

Something to consider: With the current 10% off promo code on the 80 PLUS Bronze model, it ends up costing only $2.50 or so more than the 80 PLUS model, so the 80 PLUS Bronze PSU using less electricity, you'll end up saving more than $2.50 in electricity costs over its lifetime compared to the 80 PLUS model.

RAM kit: You can save $9 by going with this kit instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820231424

The lower frequency (1333MHz vs 1600MHz) will hardly make any difference (1-3% performance difference on average, which is neglicable) and heatsinks are not necessary for RAM, unless you overclock the RAM itself, which nearly pointless unless you're after every % of performance possible.

Motherboard: Once again, you lose PCI-Express 3.0 support. More importantly, you're looking at an open box product, which may or may not include SATA cables and the like.

Regarding maximum memory: As far as I know, maximum memory is 32GB with the P67 chipset. However, considering that there are very few 32GB memory kits (4x8GB), 16GB (4x4GB) is the current affordable limit. That could why Biostar specified 16GB, but the only way to be sure is to contact them and double-check.

Seeing as most current games will run fine with 4GB and that I recommend 8GB to be future-proof for a few years, I highly doubt that 16GB wouldn't be enough in a few years from now.
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09-20-2011, 12:05 AM,
#24
RE: Help, Gaming Budget Computer
Gosh, the hard part about PC's, soooo many companies to choose from. S

So, this is the current system I am now looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealD...mbo.723939
This one is a combo. Only $40 for the ram with it being a combo. I just don't know if that is any good ram as I haven't heard of that brand. All the specs seemed good to me though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6813157265
I was hoping for a better deal on a Motherboard, but you get what you pay for. Though, whats the difference between PCI 3.0 and PCI 2.0? Also, what exactly is Open Box? What Sata cables would I need? I have a 500gb Sata harddrive with the sata cables. And any case, my friend should have a bunch of extra cables. I am just worried about the Open Box, that it will break down in about 1 year.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817371047
If I cannot get this one before the sale ends, I will just get the other one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817371030

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6811147153
I was thinking about getting the $50 one. But, for $5 more, this one is much more better looking than the other one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6814150564
I guess I should go with this one. In a review, it said it can be overclocked. Is it easy to overclock, and more importantly, can it overclock without overheating and spanning the life by a lot?

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09-20-2011, 05:42 AM,
#25
RE: Help, Gaming Budget Computer
The RAM brand in that combo is excellent and I have no problem recommending that combo.

"whats the difference between PCI 3.0 and PCI 2.0?"
Bandwidth. PCI-Express 3.0 offers twice the bandwidth of PCI-Express 2.0. While PCI-Express 2.0 will offer enough bandwidth for the majority of video cards for at least 1-2 years, it will eventually become a bottleneck for high-end videos cards, especially in Crossfire or SLI configurations. PCI-Express 3.0 won't be a bottleneck anytime soon.

SATA cables: Assuming that you have one hard drive and one optical drive, you'd need two SATA data cable.

"What exactly is Open Box?"
From Newegg FAQ:
"What is an Open Box item?
Open Box items have been opened and touched and/or returned. Because they originate from different situations, they may or may not include accessories, documentation or retail packaging. Refurbishment is done by the manufacturer. Open Box products are warranted for only 30 days. We recommend that you try out your Open Box product immediately after receiving it."


While all open box items should work, it's always more of a gamble than with a brand new item.

PSU choices make sense. So does the case.

Video Card:
The Radeon HD 6790 is a pretty poor overclocker as it is, due to a few factors. That specific card from XFX is not equipped with a cooling solution that would handle overclocking very well. On top of that, overclocking your video card will rarely make a noticeable difference, unless you overclock it quite a bit or if you play a game that's really pushing your video card to its limits.

It's not difficult, it's a simple matter of using an utility such as MSI AfterBurner (recommended), then raising the GPU core or memory frequencies values by small steps (5-10MHz) at a time, testing the video card under a game for a few hours, which watching for temperatures (Keep it below 90C to avoid reducing its life span). If it doesn't crash and it's below 90C, you're golden. If it crashes or is above 90C, scale back its frequencies.

If you want a card that overclocks very well, I'd go back to that Geforce GTX 460 1GB that you were looking at earlier. I'd avoid the 768MB and the SE edition though, as both as quite slower and probably won't overclock as well.
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09-20-2011, 04:19 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-20-2011, 04:28 PM by joshlete.)
#26
RE: Help, Gaming Budget Computer
Thank you for that PCI 3.0 information. I will definitely be getting this board then.

With my new rig, I will not be using a DVD drive as it is 100% completely pointless to me. So sata cables shouldn't be an issue for me.

With the open box, I don't know if the gamble is good enough. While the board being only $80, risking $80 is pretty high for me for such an important piece of the rig.

The video card, I am not sure about it being Recertified. I don't know how high the risk is. I am on a really tight budget, so this card would be very helpful. Though, if it breaks, it is kinda of a downer for me. Though, it is a very nice card since I want to be playing BF3 on highest settings, I might have to risk it for this one. (BTW, how high could this card play BF3 on?)
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