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Tier 5ish compontent check + how do I trim the budget a bit - Katotonic - 06-23-2014

Hi all,

Been planning on building my first computer for over a year and I am roughly working off the Tier 5 list with some deviations based on things I think look or sound cooler. Games I am looking to play on Very High/Max settings include Rome 2 Total War, Mechwarrior Online, Europa Universalis IV and maybe Bioshock Infinite. Would like to do a overclock on the CPU but nothing bleeding edge (probably tell the bios to do it for me and just take what it gives me). Finally I would like this future proof for at least 3-4 years since this is a big chunk of change.

So I am looking for a compatibility/not out of my mind choosing ridiculously overpriced or bad parts check please.

Also, any ideas how to get this build to more like $1200 instead of almost $1400, not including shipping or tax (as it is when exclusively sourced on Newegg)? Everything is negotiable/downgradable if it gets me there without losing anything performance-wise, but I would really like to not give up the 770 4GB GPU (although an alternative and cheaper but still good 770 4GB GPU would be ok) or the Samsung SSD.

Finally, am I missing anything? Like are the one cooler and the built in case fans enough to keep it cool? Is the PSU too much or too little? extra cables I might need? This would be my first build any any comments, help, or advice is greatly appreciated.

Note: I have all the peripherals so not needed in price.
Note 2: Current resolution will be 1280 x 1024 at 75 Hz since I don't have the $$ right now for an upgrade but that would ideally get upgraded to 1920x1200 at least somewhat soon.

Thanks in advance!

CPU:Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell Quad-Core 3.4GHz LGA 1150
GPU: PNY VCGGTX7704XPB-OC2 GeForce GTX 770 4GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 SLI Support Video Card
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-Z87X-UD3H LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
PSU: Rosewill HIVE Series HIVE-650 650W Continuous @40°C, 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified, Modular Design, Single +12V Rail, ATX12V v2.31/EPS12V ...
SSD: SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE120BW 2.5" 120GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
HDD:Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive
RAM: G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Cooler: CORSAIR Hydro Series H80i High Performance Water/Liquid CPU Cooler. 120mm
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl w/ USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Silent PC Computer Case
CD/DVD: LG Internal Super Multi Drive SATA Model GH24NSB0 - OEM
OS: Windows 8.1

RE: Tier 5ish compontent check + how do I trim the budget a bit - Dan-H - 06-24-2014

I've been web-shopping a similar system for a someday-maybe build.

here is my list if I were buying today, but I'm not sure it is perfect.

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($134.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Rosewill R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1255.80

some comments:

GPU: the 2GB GTX 770 saves $$$ over the 4GB. I (we) have two nearly identical systems, one with an MSI GTX 760 2GB, the other with an MSI GTX 770 2GB and the 770 shines over the 760 on games like assassins creed 4 or skyrim at 1080p, but neither use all 2GB of memory. I would buy an MSI or EVGA or Gigabyte and maybe PNY - which ever is least expensive. Some PNYs look to have a really good (aka lifetime warranty). The MSI I listed is very quiet and runs cool in a case that is not very well ventilated. I was able to pickup the MSI listed above for $299 so the deals come and go.

[june 24 edit] newegg has the EVGA OC 2GB for $309 after MIR [/edit]

Mobo: I went with a Z97 chipset. Not certain this is the exact board I would buy but it is my current front-runner. note that the The Z97 version of the board you listed is $140 at newegg.

Memory: I listed faster memory which may OC a little easier. I"m not sure this is the perfect memory for the that CPU/MoBo but I think it is slightly faster than DDR3 1600 memory.

PSU: I listed a 750W 80+ gold. I like gold rated PSUs since electricity is expensive where I live.

Cooler: the air cooler is about $20 less (I think) and nearly silent.

SSD: I suggest a larger SSD than 128GB. personally, I like 250GB as a minimum boot drive. The write specs get a tad better on the 250GB vs the 128GB and a 250GB holds enough for a couple of games and most stuff except video or photos or music. I've seem them for $120ish recently, but the current steady price is $134

case: this is the least costly case that will fit the oversize cooler. To me, I don't care what it looks like as it sits buried behind "stuff". I'm not sure this is the exact case I would buy but it is pretty close.

Anyway, I"m not the expert but I've been researching my next build, as I anticipate I'll be needing a third system by year-end.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

RE: Tier 5ish compontent check + how do I trim the budget a bit - Katotonic - 06-24-2014

Hey Dan-H,

Thanks for the reply on how to perhaps cut costs with some alt parts.

I will have to think things over to see what I am ok with changing and what I am not ok with changing. :-)

Any suggestions on if I should wait for 4th of July for sales? Or do the stores/sites call it a sale but generally not give you any sort of discount to make it worth it?

Is it better to buy from all one source so that you are sure that it all arrives at your door at the same time (in case of faulty products in need of warranty return)? Or is it ok to just order everything at the same time as long as it arrives at the same time (theoretically)?

RE: Tier 5ish compontent check + how do I trim the budget a bit - Rapajez - 06-24-2014

Yeah, not much to trim. Unless you want to lower some of the settings and drop down a few Tiers. Of course, it will be massive overkill until you upgrade the monitor. You can swap the Samsung SSD to a cheaper Crucial M500 model. Still blazing fast compared to a traditional hard drive. You can drop the "k" model and use the stock cooler, but for the price, I'd rather have the option to overclock available.

You can look into the Red Team's new 3GB 280X. Just released, and comes with $150 worth of gaming coupons. It's comparable to the 770, so whatever is cheaper when you order.

The 2GB 770 would have no problem with your current monitor, but the 4GB may be nice when you upgrade. Most 1080p games are barely approaching 2GB, as Dan-H said, but who knows what the future will hold. I'm sure the total war games use a lot with all the units on screen at once. 2k, 4k screens, or HD texture mods for Skyrim use a lot as well.

To address your last question, it depends on the day you order. No problem ordering from multiple vendors. Make a wishlist in both Amazon and Newegg, and order each part from whoever is cheaper at the time. Be sure to check NewEgg for combo deals, and sign up for their newsletter (at least until you buy everything). For example, Amazon was cheaper when I ordered, but at the last minute I realized NewEgg had $75 off, if you ordered both the CPU and mobo from them.

RE: Tier 5ish compontent check + how do I trim the budget a bit - Dan-H - 06-24-2014

I agree if with Rapajez on the SSD. I am partial to the Samsung as I've had great success with their SSD products, but the crucial M500 240Gb is $25 cheaper than the Samsung evo 840 250 GB. 19% less $$ for 4% less capacity and such a small difference in performance real use would not be able to tell the difference.

Anyway, I hope I'm not hijacking your thread but I had a question that may apply to you too so I'll ask it in this context:

How much does CPU and memory speed factor into the gaming equation once it is "good"? If the GPU is a GTX 770 OC, how much difference will faster memory and an overclocked CPU make?

Or specifically, for two otherwise identical systems, both running a GTX 770 OC 2GB, how much "better" game play will a system A have compared to system B.

A: overclocked 4670K and DDR3 2400 memory
B: stock clocked 4670 and DDR3 1600 memory

If the choice is to boost CPU and memory speeds or step up to a better GPU beyond the 770, which would have the most impact?

I suppose this varies game by game but in general, does the CPU and memory speed make the big difference once it reaches core i5 4670 / DDR3 1600 speeds?

RE: Tier 5ish compontent check + how do I trim the budget a bit - Rapajez - 06-25-2014

Yeah, the answer is "it depends". Review sites with per-game bench marks are your friend, like anandtech. The CPU is usually responsible for AI, physics, etc. In general, the CPU speed (or these days, the core count) may be more crucial in games where you have a lot going on at once. Examples are MMOs like WoW, with 40-person raids, Battlefield 4 mutliplayer maps with a ton of players, or RTS's with a big army on screen.

Strictly gaming speaking, the CPU is responsible for pumping instructions, commands, vertexes and what not to the GPU. So we don't want to have a gross mismatch between the two where the GPU is being bottle-necked by the CPU. You don't have to worry about that in your scenario though.

Memory speeds don't make a lot of difference with the current Intel CPUs in gaming, with the exception of integrated graphics, which use the memory as video memory. The reason people upgrade, is it's usually only a few bucks to grab a faster speed.

To sum it up, "it depends", but in general, if you're primarily gaming, you should direct funds to the GPU before the CPU/Memory.

RE: Tier 5ish compontent check + how do I trim the budget a bit - PwnBroker - 06-25-2014

i agree with rapajez, with the exception of the AMD apu's, memory speed doesnt do much for game fps.(in BF4 you may get a little bit extra). in single threaded games(legacy titles) an overclocked cpu will raise frame rates. in the current multi-threaded titles, there seems to be a trend that clock speed doesnt really increase performance like it used too if at all, with the exception of chips like athlon x4 which may get just enough boost to keep a game playable.

RE: Tier 5ish compontent check + how do I trim the budget a bit - Katotonic - 06-26-2014

No problem with the "hijacking". I was curious too.

My updated parts list based off recommendations and what is on sale (Tax and shipping not included).

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $189.99 Micro Center (Yes, it really is 189.99!)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $99.98 OutletPC
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard $142.99 SuperBiiz
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 $74.99 Newegg
SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $79.99 Best Buy
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $52.91 OutletPC
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card $359.99 Newegg
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case $89.99 Newegg
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $63.99 Amazon
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer $17.99 Mwave
Operating System : Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) $89.98 OutletPC
Headphones: TekNmotion TM-YB100A Headset $19.99 Amazon
Speakers: Logitech Z313 25W 2.1ch Speakers $39.38 Amazon

Total: $1322.16 as of right now. (I think I am going to wait on everything but the 4670k core till I see what 4th of july sales there are)

RE: Tier 5ish compontent check + how do I trim the budget a bit - Rapajez - 06-29-2014

Looks good, let us know how it goes!

(again, be sure to check the combo deals on Newegg before you pull the trigger. $75 off a mobo/CPU combo that you're going to buy anyway might make a big difference.)

RE: Tier 5ish compontent check + how do I trim the budget a bit - Katotonic - 07-01-2014

Update: 7/1/14

I went to micro center on Saturday to pick up the i 5-4670k and the speakers and headset. They had a good sales person and price matching so I ended up picking up the whole build with a few changes due to sales/combo/didn't carry newegg brands in store.

The build:
Cpu: i5-4670k, $189.99
Mobo: Msi z97-g45 gaming, $109.99
Gpu: PNY Nvidia GTX 770 4G (OC2 model). $389.99 + $30 MIR so $359.99
Hdd: Seagate barracuda 1lb 7200rpm. $49.99
Sdd: Samsung 840 Evo 120gb. $79.99
Case: Fractal design Define R4. $89.99
Ram: 8gb (2×4) Balistix sport 1600mhz Cas 9. $69.99
Cooler: Corsair h100i. $89.99
PSU: Corsair HX650W 80+ Gold (refurbished). $69.99
Optical drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer
Speakers: Logitech z313. $39.99
Headset: TekNmotion TM-YB100A Headset. $14.99
OS: windows 8.1. $99.99

Total pre-tax (including 2 extra sata cables): $1327

Pics of the build will be posted in a bit. Everything is put together and seems to be working though!

Some questions:
1) the MSI Mobo comes with OC Genie 4 for easy OC'ing the whole system. Is this safe/a good way to do this? Do I still need to run stability tests if I use the built in OC option?

2) How do I know if the h100i is working? Not that I doubt it is, I just do not want to OC without knowing it is first. (The fans run, but you obviously can't see the pump working.)

3) What are safe OC Temps, voltages, etc for everything? (As in if I see that it is close to those values I should back off)

Thanks for all the help with this whole process guys! My first build was a breeze because of you, this site, and the "How to build your own computer" series on newegg.